Jesus Doesn't Know The Day And Hour? How Can He Be God Then?
Introduction
This topic is heavily discussed in and throughout Christian circles and even other circles. The pagans (kaaba/baal worshippers) will even bring up this point against Christians because they are ignorant of the Scriptures because they have been indoctrinated by demons to attack Christ and His followers at every chance. They, the pagans, will bring up this topic over and over to disprove the Trinitarian belief that Christ is God. And with my own research this topic is widely confusing to new Christians and people inquiring Christianity. This is why Catechizing people with Scriptures is greatly needed. Throughout this topic I will be going over two cases for Christ Jesus being God (along side His Father, while also not being the Father) who will return on the Day of Judgement; Christ Jesus knowing the day and hour of His return.
Section 1. God is The Judge Who is Coming
25 Far be it from thee to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from thee! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” 26 And the LORD said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
27 I therefore have not sinned against you, and you do me wrong by making war on me; the LORD, the Judge, decide this day between the people of Israel and the people of Ammon.”
33 Then shall the trees of the wood sing for joy before the LORD, for he comes to judge the earth.
22 Will any teach God knowledge, seeing that he judges those that are on high?
8 The LORD judges the peoples; judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness and according to the integrity that is in me.
11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day.
I will give thanks to the LORD with my whole heart; I will tell of all thy wonderful deeds. 2 I will be glad and exult in thee, I will sing praise to thy name, O Most High. 3 When my enemies turned back, they stumbled and perished before thee. 4 For thou hast maintained my just cause; thou hast sat on the throne giving righteous judgment.
7 But the LORD sits enthroned for ever, he has established his throne for judgment; 8 and he judges the world with righteousness, he judges the peoples with equity.
4 He calls to the heavens above and to the earth, that he may judge his people: 5 “Gather to me my faithful ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice! 6 The heavens declare his righteousness, for God himself is judge! Selah
10 The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked. 11 Men will say, “Surely there is a reward for the righteous; surely there is a God who judges on earth.”
7 but it is God who executes judgment, putting down one and lifting up another.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for to thee belong all the nations!
O LORD, thou God of vengeance, thou God of vengeance, shine forth! 2 Rise up, O judge of the earth; render to the proud their deserts!
13 before the LORD, for he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with his truth.
17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for he has appointed a time for every matter, and for every work.
13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.
22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our ruler, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; 23 who brings princes to nought, and makes the rulers of the earth as nothing.
Section 1.b New Testament:
5 But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 For he will render to every man according to his works:
6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world?
10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.”
30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
12 There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?
5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
14 It was of these also that Enoch in the seventh generation from Adam prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
Points of Power
I have touched on this subject before and I have a created a system when speaking on this subject. I have coined the term, "Points of Power" when reflecting upon the attributes of the One who is coming to Judge the World. Which the Bible tells us is God. Here are the Points of Power:
Is the King
Is the Lawgiver
Has commandments
Sits on the throne
Dwells above the earth
Summons the heavens and stretches them out
Owns all nations
Has myriads of angels
Takes vengeance
Is Righteous
Is Feared
Is going to save His people
Has feet drenched in blood of the wicked
Coming to Judge the earth
Will Judge every righteous and unrighteous person based on every single deed
Will Judge the living and the dead
Will exalt some men and put other men down
Will make earthly governments nothing compared to Him
Will make every knee bow to Him
Will make every tongue acknowledge Himself
Section 2. Jesus is The Judge Who is Coming
There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. 2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. 3 And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide by what his ears hear;
5 then a throne will be established in steadfast love and on it will sit in faithfulness in the tent of David one who judges and seeks justice and is swift to do righteousness.”
So the sprout from Jesse who is the Messiah, Jesus, He is going to judge but not by what His eyes and ears perceive. The only left would be the soul and conscience at that point. So the Messiah can read the thoughts and deeds of man. He also sits on a throne[Point 4] and is faithful and will judge fairly and will be righteous[Point 10][Point 18]
21 she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Here the Angel told the Blessed Virgin Mary that she will name her son Jesus because He will save His people[Point 12]
27 For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
Jesus says that He is going to be coming[Point 14] with His angels[Point 8] and He will repay each person according to their behavior[Point 15,18]
30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jesus says that He will appear in heaven[Point 5] and all nations will fear Him[Point 11] and that He will come on the clouds of heaven[Point 14] and Christ re-iterates that He has angels[Point 8]. There is another connection here. [ 6. Psalm 50:4-6 ]
The Judgment of the Nations 31 “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jesus here re-iterates that He is coming[Point 14] and all His angels will come with Him[Point 8] And He will sit on His throne[Point 4] All nations will come before Him[Point 7, 15, 16, 17] He also refers to Himself as the King. [Point 1]
22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
Here we see Jesus, the Son, saying that the Father, who is 100% undoubtedly God, does not judge. But the Son is the one who judges. This speaks volumes to who Jesus is. God.
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
This is Jesus speaking here and what is He doing? Giving a commandment, a LAW. He just became a Lawgiver.[Point 2,3]
18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
42 And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
In Acts here, we see a reflection back to after Christ's Resurrection, when He met with His Disciples and told them to go into all the world. We see Jesus called the Judge of the Living and Dead. [Point 16]
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.”
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Saint Paul tells us that Christ died then came to life and is LORD over the living and dead[Point 16] and all people will stand before the judgement seat of God[Point15, 16] Then Saint Paul quotes Isaiah 45 so Saint Paul just said that the Lord who spoke back in Isaiah was Christ who he had just called Lord in verse 9 and says every knee will bow and every tongue will acknowledge Christ[Point 19, 20]. Then again we are told that EVERY knee will bow to Christ, everyone in Heaven, earth and under the ground, and every tongue will confess Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Meaning that confessing Christ is Lord is praising Christ's deity, also praises the Father. [Point 19,20]
4 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
Here Saint Paul just called Christ, God by saying it is Christ who will judge the living and dead[Point 16] and said that Christ has a Kingdom[Point 1]
8 But of the Son he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.” 10 And, “Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands; 11 they will perish, but thou remainest; they will all grow old like a garment, 12 like a mantle thou wilt roll them up, and they will be changed. But thou art the same, and thy years will never end.”
Here we see God the Father talking about Jesus, the Son, saying he created the Heavens and earth. [Point 6]
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. 13 He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. 15 From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Here Saint John is seeing the Revelations of the End Days and he sees Jesus who is called faithful and true. He judges[Point 14] and wages war in righteousness[Point 10] He is clothed with garments dipped in blood because He treads the winepress of wrath[Point 9, 13] The armies of heaven followed Christ down[Point 8] and Christ is called KING of kings[Point 1].
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; 15 and if any one’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
So here John sees a throne and One seated on it[Point 4] All the dead stood before the throne and were judged by all their deeds before the scroll of Life[Point 16] Then anyone who was not in the scroll of Life was hurled into the lake of fire by this One who judges all by their deeds.
It is now quite clear that it is Jesus who is to come on the Day of Judgement and judge the entire world. Which by definition of the Bible makes Him God, and if that is not the case then remember 1 Corinthians 14:33. Further more, these verses: (Romans 14:12; 1 Corinthians 1:8; 4:4-5; 5:3-5; 11:26; 11:32; 15:24-26; 16:22; 2 Corinthians 1:13-14; 5:10; Philippians 1:6) continue my argument making it extremely crisp and clear that Jesus and must be God if He is the One coming and is the Judge of the world.
Section 3. Jesus' Ascension and Return
- Zechariah 13:8-9 Part I
8 In the whole land, says the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. 9 And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”
We read here a prophecy of the End Times or End of Days. The LORD, which means God, says that two-thirds of the people on the earth will be cut off from Him and die, but the remaining third will be "refined liked silver is refined; tried as gold is tried." This is referring to the glorification of our human bodies after the resurrection. [ 1. Matthew 25:31-46 ] Then the LORD says that that remaining Third will call upon MY NAME, The LORD, then the Lord says those people will say: "The LORD IS MY GOD." This Lord is God, there is no doubt about it.
- Zechariah 14:4-5 Part II
4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. 5 And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the side of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord your God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
Verse 4 speaks of of the coming of the LORD GOD. It says the Lord's feet will touch the mount of Olives and it will split. Then verse 5 ends by saying: "the LORD MY GOD WILL COME and all the saints." So not only is this Lord, who's feet will touch the Mount of Olives when He comes down from Heaven, is God. And we are told that all the holy ones will come with the Lord. [ 2. Matthew 24:30-31; 3. Matthew 25:31-46; 4. Revelation 19:11-16 ]
There are a few bullet points I am going to show you throughout the New Testament passages that are confirmed of Christ that come from Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zechariah 14.
1A. The One who is coming is called Lord
1B. This Lord is LORD as in the sense of God
2. The separation of the unrighteous and the righteous
3. The Lord's feet will touch the Mount of Olives when the Lord comes in the End of Days
4. When the Lord comes, all the holy ones will come as well
The Judgment of the Nations 31 “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jesus speaking here about Himself with the title, "Son of Man," and calls Himself The King and says, "He will sit down on his glorious throne." So the Son of Man, Christ, is The King and sits on a glorious throne when He comes in the End of Days. He will also be called Lord by the righteous and unrighteous.[Point 1A] Next we are also told that when Christ comes back, all the angels will come with Him. [Point 4] Then Jesus says that ALL NATIONS will be gathered before Him in the End of Days, and that He will separate people from each other like a shepherd separating goats from sheep. He says the sheep will be at His Right hand and the goats will be at His left hand. Jesus then says that those on His right, "Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world." Then Jesus will say to those on His left, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." Here we read Jesus speaking about Zechariah 13:8-9 where He says that is Him who will separate the righteous from the unrighteous, but what is key is that, to be with Jesus is to live in glory[the one-third that will be refined like silver and tried like gold] but to be sent away from Jesus[the two parts that will be cut off and then die] is to be sent to Hell. [Point 2]
Jesus and Thomas 24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.” 26 Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
The event of doubting Saint Thomas, where Saint Thomas is told by the other disciples that they have seen the LORD. [Point 1A] Who is the Lord? Jesus. Jesus had just resurrected and appeared to the other disciples but Saint Thomas was not present at that time so when they told him that they had seen the Lord, Jesus, he did not believe them. So the next time that all twelve disciples were together alone, Jesus appeared again and singled out Saint Thomas so that Saint Thomas would believe. After Saint Thomas was singled out, He spoke to Jesus who was physically there before him and said: "MY LORD AND MY GOD." [Point 1A,1B]
9 And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas 12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away;
The Ascension of Jesus. Jesus was raised into the sky and disappeared from sight. As the Apostles kept looking upwards towards the heavens where Jesus had been lifted up by clouds, two men, presumably Angels, appeared in white clothing and told them, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in a like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Then after this, the Apostles went from the mountain called Olivet, or the MOUNT OF OLIVES. So the two Angels told us that when Jesus comes back, it will be on the clouds and come down to the Mount of Olives.[Point 3]
So then, even this fact within the chain of events and what is to happen pertaining the Day of Judgement, Jesus' Return completely tells us that He is in fact, God the Judge of the world. Now the final section is the big hurdle in this debate.
Section 4. Jesus Does or Doesn't Know the Day and Hour?
As I said in the introductory paragraph, the pagans (kaaba/baal worshippers) will always point to this quote of Jesus and feel full of themselves thinking they have debunked our belief that Jesus is God. However those pagans have made themselves an ignoramus and a fool publicly, not realizing that this topic is already explained further in the New Testament because their desire to slander Christ is far too big for the mind to catch up; causing these pitiful errors to pop up in their arguments.
32 “But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
I have two holes to poke into the argument they have when using this argument. First off, no one will disagree that the Father is God, even if these pagans reject calling God, Father. However, The Holy Spirit of God then knows the Day and Hour.
11 For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
If the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, can comprehend the thoughts of God, then certainly is knows the thoughts of God and has access to them. Besides the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in the verses that I gave. The Holy Spirit knows the Day and the Hour if it is able to comprehend and access the thoughts of God.
Then how do I come to terms and prove that Jesus actually knows the Day and Hour?
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which was in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
Saint Paul here tells us that before Jesus became incarnate; Jesus was in the form of God and was equal with God. When Jesus came to the earth to be the Messiah, He emptied Himself of His position, to that of servant. "BORN IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN." Meaning that He was man and appeared as a man, but He is something much more that a man. Here in Philippians, God is referring to the Father, so Saint Paul told us that Jesus before coming to the world was in the same form as that the Father has and Jesus was equal to the Father. No creature can be equal to God or be in the same form as God, yes God is spirit, but God's form is beyond comprehension, and for Jesus to be in the same form as the Father means that Jesus is God as well. While on the earth, at the time of Mark 13:32 (Matthew 24:36), Jesus was speaking in the literal sense of the moment. He made Himself a servant, with the abilities to do great signs and wonders, but He emptied Himself of equality to the Father while He was upon the Earth in the flesh, choosing to be a servant to the Father as everyone on earth is. Lower then the Angels of God. When Jesus ascended to to the Father to be glorified with His glory that was His before He became incarnate [ 5. John 17:5], then He knew the Day and Hour. Besides, If by all means we know it is truly Jesus who is coming, which it is, to judge; how would He not know the Day on which He is coming? He spoke so clearly and definitively of His return, yet He doesn't even know at all when that Day is? No, as I said, while I on earth, He kept certain things from Himself to be a true servant. When He went up to God the Father, He was equal with the Father, having the same knowledge as God the Father once more.
My Final Thoughts
I have enjoyed this Article very much, this was a topic I wanted to write on for quite some time and I needed to study quite a lot of various other things before getting to this point so I could articulate what I have put within the Article. If I find any other arguments for this topic I will do another Article on the argument if it backed up by evidence and Scripture.
"The LORD bless you
and keep you;
the LORD make His face shine upon you
and be gracious to you;
the LORD turn His face toward you
and give you peace." ☦
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